News just in from RAF MOD in UK

Eurofighter for the RAF it seems is to be axed after only 144 aircraft
due to engine and delivery failures... from the UK MOD

UCAV to replace it instead it seems.

is the eurofighter program totally dead now ? time will tell but with
1/2 the total order cancelled seems pilot are dead ducks too...

Aerophotos > wrote in message >...
> News just in from RAF MOD in UK
>
> Eurofighter for the RAF it seems is to be axed after only 144 aircraft
> due to engine and delivery failures... from the UK MOD
>
> UCAV to replace it instead it seems.
>
> is the eurofighter program totally dead now ? time will tell but with
> 1/2 the total order cancelled seems pilot are dead ducks too...


Hundreds of Typhoons will be produced during a number of years to come...
I wouldn't exactly call that "totally dead".

"Marcus Andersson" > wrote in message
om...
> Aerophotos > wrote in message
>...
> > News just in from RAF MOD in UK
> >
> > Eurofighter for the RAF it seems is to be axed after only 144 aircraft
> > due to engine and delivery failures... from the UK MOD
> >
> > UCAV to replace it instead it seems.
> >
> > is the eurofighter program totally dead now ? time will tell but with
> > 1/2 the total order cancelled seems pilot are dead ducks too...
>
>
> Hundreds of Typhoons will be produced during a number of years to come...
> I wouldn't exactly call that "totally dead".

As ususal Aerophotos aka Jolly Green Giant is hallucinating.

There was a speculative piece in the Grauniad a couple of weeks
touting the idea that 1/3 of the production MAY bet at risk, that
is 236 out of the planned 620 aircraft.

The initial production aircraft are being delivered with both
the RAF and Spanish Air Force having received aircraft.

Keith

Aghh you may wana check your knowledge...

the RAF has just had the 2nd batch for air ground work cancelled.. hence
what i wrote came from MOD.

MOD told the newspaper..MOD made the decision to cut the RAF euro force
in to less.



Keith Willshaw wrote:
>
> "Marcus Andersson" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Aerophotos > wrote in message
> >...
> > > News just in from RAF MOD in UK
> > >
> > > Eurofighter for the RAF it seems is to be axed after only 144 aircraft
> > > due to engine and delivery failures... from the UK MOD
> > >
> > > UCAV to replace it instead it seems.
> > >
> > > is the eurofighter program totally dead now ? time will tell but with
> > > 1/2 the total order cancelled seems pilot are dead ducks too...
> >
> >
> > Hundreds of Typhoons will be produced during a number of years to come...
> > I wouldn't exactly call that "totally dead".
>
> As ususal Aerophotos aka Jolly Green Giant is hallucinating.
>
> There was a speculative piece in the Grauniad a couple of weeks
> touting the idea that 1/3 of the production MAY bet at risk, that
> is 236 out of the planned 620 aircraft.
>
> The initial production aircraft are being delivered with both
> the RAF and Spanish Air Force having received aircraft.
>
> Keith

-

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> Aghh you may wana check your knowledge...
>

I have

> the RAF has just had the 2nd batch for air ground work cancelled.. hence
> what i wrote came from MOD.
>
> MOD told the newspaper..MOD made the decision to cut the RAF euro force
> in to less.
>

Cite please

No such story is carried on either the MOD site, the BBC , EADS or
the other sources I checked today. While negotiations are ongoing the
points at issue have been reported as the level of equipment and
upgrades involved.

There's a story in todays Daily Telegraph again suggesting the Third
tranche may be delayed or cancelled but nothing about the second tranche
and it ends

<Quote>
A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence insisted that the Eurofighter was
an effective aircraft but declined to comment on future spending
announcements.
"We are still committed to Eurofighter," he said.
</Quote>

Interestingly pressure to accelerate the orders for the second tranche
is now coming from Germany which is keen to replace some of its
obsolescent aircraft currently in service.

Keith

The story as it ran in the Aero-News email letter this morning:

UK Eurofighter Gets The Ax
One-Third Cut In British Defense Spending Puts Warplane On
Hiatus


It's late, over budget and now, out
of date. The British procurement of the so-called Eurofighter is
over.


The Eurofighter -- Britain's version is called the Typhoon --
"is a dead duck. Unfortunately we are stuck with it, but there is
no way this Government is going to buy any more. It's expensive and
obsolete."


That word came from a senior Defense Ministry official quoted in
the London Daily Telegraph. British military leaders apparently
agreed with the assessment, but only after being assured the
savings would be spent on UCAVs, smart missiles and other high-tech
weapons systems.


Two phases of the Typhoon deployment have already been carried
out. So far, 144 aircraft have been delivered. The first 55 --
air-combat only -- were six years late. The second batch of 89
aircraft, which have ground-attack capabilities, has yet to be
delivered.


All Eurofighters are now grounded because of engine
problems.


There are even questions about the need for a Eurofighter fleet.
Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, the former Chief of the Defence Staff
who retired earlier in the year, was skeptical of the need for more
Eurofighters. He asked in an interview with the Telegraph, "Do we
need to have 232 fighters in the modern context?" His point is
this: UCAVs -- unmanned combat aerial vehicles -- will star
replacing manned aircraft within 20 years. That's just a few years
after the final batch of Eurofighters are due to enter service.
FMI: www.eurofighter.com


For the WHOLE story, go to
http://www.aero-news.net/news/military.cfm?ContentBlockID=7b0fac21-2f2d-42d3-920c-a3598deb48b7&Dynamic=1

all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
>
> The story as it ran in the Aero-News email letter this morning:
>
> UK Eurofighter Gets The Ax
> One-Third Cut In British Defense Spending Puts Warplane On
> Hiatus
>
>
> It's late, over budget and now, out
> of date. The British procurement of the so-called Eurofighter is
> over.
>

Which is contradictory in itself since the one third cut would
be the third tranche which is not due to be ordered until 2007

>
> The Eurofighter -- Britain's version is called the Typhoon --
> "is a dead duck. Unfortunately we are stuck with it, but there is
> no way this Government is going to buy any more. It's expensive and
> obsolete."
>
>
> That word came from a senior Defense Ministry official quoted in
> the London Daily Telegraph. British military leaders apparently
> agreed with the assessment, but only after being assured the
> savings would be spent on UCAVs, smart missiles and other high-tech
> weapons systems.
>
>
> Two phases of the Typhoon deployment have already been carried
> out. So far, 144 aircraft have been delivered. The first 55 --
> air-combat only -- were six years late. The second batch of 89
> aircraft, which have ground-attack capabilities, has yet to be
> delivered.
>
>
> All Eurofighters are now grounded because of engine
> problems.
>

No they were grounded on October 14 as a result of a brake failure

>
> There are even questions about the need for a Eurofighter fleet.
> Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, the former Chief of the Defence Staff
> who retired earlier in the year, was skeptical of the need for more
> Eurofighters. He asked in an interview with the Telegraph, "Do we
> need to have 232 fighters in the modern context?" His point is
> this: UCAVs -- unmanned combat aerial vehicles -- will star
> replacing manned aircraft within 20 years. That's just a few years
> after the final batch of Eurofighters are due to enter service.
> FMI: www.eurofighter.com
>

Duncan Sandys said the same thing in the 50's as I recall

Plus Ca Change.Plus Ca Meme Chose

Keith

>> Two phases of the Typhoon deployment have already been carried
>> out. So far, 144 aircraft have been delivered. The first 55 --
>> air-combat only -- were six years late. The second batch of 89
>> aircraft, which have ground-attack capabilities, has yet to be
>> delivered.

144 have been delivered?? Seems a bit high to me.

Then somehow 89 of those 144 have not been delivered?


Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> >> Two phases of the Typhoon deployment have already been carried
> >> out. So far, 144 aircraft have been delivered. The first 55 --
> >> air-combat only -- were six years late. The second batch of 89
> >> aircraft, which have ground-attack capabilities, has yet to be
> >> delivered.
>
> 144 have been delivered?? Seems a bit high to me.
>

It is

> Then somehow 89 of those 144 have not been delivered?
>

Not even ordered yet, for the RAF the original plan called for
orders in 3 tranches, the first for is being delievered now, orders
for the second tranche (the 89) are under negotiation now and
must be ordered by Jan 1 2004 or there are consequences for
cost etc. The third tranche which is reportedly at risk is not
due to be ordered until 2007.

Keith

Maybe somebodu should tell the people who are working on the air to ground
side of things?

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> Aghh you may wana check your knowledge...
>
> the RAF has just had the 2nd batch for air ground work cancelled.. hence
> what i wrote came from MOD.
>
> MOD told the newspaper..MOD made the decision to cut the RAF euro force
> in to less.
>
>
>
> Keith Willshaw wrote:
> >
> > "Marcus Andersson" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > Aerophotos > wrote in message
> > >...
> > > > News just in from RAF MOD in UK
> > > >
> > > > Eurofighter for the RAF it seems is to be axed after only 144
aircraft
> > > > due to engine and delivery failures... from the UK MOD
> > > >
> > > > UCAV to replace it instead it seems.
> > > >
> > > > is the eurofighter program totally dead now ? time will tell but
with
> > > > 1/2 the total order cancelled seems pilot are dead ducks too...
> > >
> > >
> > > Hundreds of Typhoons will be produced during a number of years to
come...
> > > I wouldn't exactly call that "totally dead".
> >
> > As ususal Aerophotos aka Jolly Green Giant is hallucinating.
> >
> > There was a speculative piece in the Grauniad a couple of weeks
> > touting the idea that 1/3 of the production MAY bet at risk, that
> > is 236 out of the planned 620 aircraft.
> >
> > The initial production aircraft are being delivered with both
> > the RAF and Spanish Air Force having received aircraft.
> >
> > Keith
>
> -

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cub Driver" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > The story as it ran in the Aero-News email letter this morning:
> >
> > UK Eurofighter Gets The Ax
> > One-Third Cut In British Defense Spending Puts Warplane On
> > Hiatus
> >
> >
> > It's late, over budget and now, out
> > of date. The British procurement of the so-called Eurofighter is
> > over.
> >
>
> Which is contradictory in itself since the one third cut would
> be the third tranche which is not due to be ordered until 2007
>
> >
> > The Eurofighter -- Britain's version is called the Typhoon --
> > "is a dead duck. Unfortunately we are stuck with it, but there is
> > no way this Government is going to buy any more. It's expensive and
> > obsolete."
> >
> >
> > That word came from a senior Defense Ministry official quoted in
> > the London Daily Telegraph. British military leaders apparently
> > agreed with the assessment, but only after being assured the
> > savings would be spent on UCAVs, smart missiles and other high-tech
> > weapons systems.
> >
> >
> > Two phases of the Typhoon deployment have already been carried
> > out. So far, 144 aircraft have been delivered. The first 55 --
> > air-combat only -- were six years late. The second batch of 89
> > aircraft, which have ground-attack capabilities, has yet to be
> > delivered.
> >

So we've delivered 144 aircraft. Can somebody tell me where they are?


> > All Eurofighters are now grounded because of engine
> > problems.
> >
>
> No they were grounded on October 14 as a result of a brake failure
>
> >
> > There are even questions about the need for a Eurofighter fleet.
> > Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, the former Chief of the Defence Staff
> > who retired earlier in the year, was skeptical of the need for more
> > Eurofighters. He asked in an interview with the Telegraph, "Do we
> > need to have 232 fighters in the modern context?" His point is
> > this: UCAVs -- unmanned combat aerial vehicles -- will star
> > replacing manned aircraft within 20 years. That's just a few years
> > after the final batch of Eurofighters are due to enter service.
> > FMI: www.eurofighter.com
> >
>

Boyce was well known in the forces as anti anything that the Royal Navy
didnt have.

> Duncan Sandys said the same thing in the 50's as I recall
>
> Plus Ca Change.Plus Ca Meme Chose
>
> Keith
>
>

"Ian Craig" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Cub Driver" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > The story as it ran in the Aero-News email letter this morning:
> > >
> > > UK Eurofighter Gets The Ax
> > > One-Third Cut In British Defense Spending Puts Warplane On
> > > Hiatus
> > >
> > >
> > > It's late, over budget and now, out
> > > of date. The British procurement of the so-called Eurofighter is
> > > over.
> > >
> >
> > Which is contradictory in itself since the one third cut would
> > be the third tranche which is not due to be ordered until 2007
> >
> > >
> > > The Eurofighter -- Britain's version is called the Typhoon --
> > > "is a dead duck. Unfortunately we are stuck with it, but there is
> > > no way this Government is going to buy any more. It's expensive and
> > > obsolete."
> > >
> > >
> > > That word came from a senior Defense Ministry official quoted in
> > > the London Daily Telegraph. British military leaders apparently
> > > agreed with the assessment, but only after being assured the
> > > savings would be spent on UCAVs, smart missiles and other high-tech
> > > weapons systems.
> > >
> > >
> > > Two phases of the Typhoon deployment have already been carried
> > > out. So far, 144 aircraft have been delivered. The first 55 --
> > > air-combat only -- were six years late. The second batch of 89
> > > aircraft, which have ground-attack capabilities, has yet to be
> > > delivered.
> > >
>
> So we've delivered 144 aircraft. Can somebody tell me where they are?
>
>

Maybe they have the new stealth modifications. Could explain why you can't
find them.